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aquitaine

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Registered: 10/22/09

Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Oct 22, 2009 5:33 AM

in response to: Semiconductor D...

@Mark: Your evidence is based on articles, most of which seem to be 2+ years old. It is true that piracy is a problem in China, but it is one on the way out and quite frankly is way overstated. As China's consumers get richer, they buy real stuff.

http://www.chinalawblog.com/2009/10/piracy_in_china_taint_no_big_t.html

As long as you can clearly document that the technology is yours, you can successfully go to court in China. As per the following:

http://www.chinalawblog.com/2009/09/protecting_your_ip_in_china_th.html

Enough with the China bashing. Believe it or not, when the US was developing it was a major IP violator, so was Japan in the 50's and 60's, and until relatively recently so was South Korea. Eventually it will go away, but it takes time and economic development.

JamieYang

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Registered: 10/20/09

Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Oct 22, 2009 5:38 AM

in response to: Semiconductor D...

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1. TSMC & SMIC are all chinese FAB. There are many lawsuit case between American company.Must more than 9 case each year. How do you explain?

2. CSMC pay money to IBM to get the 018RF technology, not free.

3. Sometimes,lawsuit is just a bussiness method.Such as the case between Sigmatel VS. ACTS(Actions semiconductor,a chinese fabless design house)

There maybe have some infringement case, but it's not all for China. We should be case by case.

Semiconductor D...

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Registered: 04/28/09

Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Oct 22, 2009 12:38 PM

in response to: aquitaine

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Bashing?

Well, I just did a google search limiting results to those of only published works this year, and it seems to still paint a fairly damning picture if IP theft in China when I look at unique occurrences of reports from respected sources. Certainly more negative then positive (you refer too two recent items). While as you show things are improving it looks like there's still a ways to go.

Mark LaPedus

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Registered: 04/12/08

Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Oct 22, 2009 1:01 PM

in response to: Semiconductor D...

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Hi out there! Thanks for the feedback.

To set the record straight, I am NOT a China basher. There's plenty of those in Washington.

I'm just merely stating the facts. Some of the articles I presented are old. Some are
recent. I could come up with more--if you wish.

FYI. I'm glad CSMC and SMIC followed the rule of law in China.
Just wondering if the U.S. is giving away the jewels?

microe

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Registered: 10/06/09

Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Oct 22, 2009 2:19 PM

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Wall Street has so many greedy bankers does not justify that a negative picture should be used whenever reporting US economy.

For the same reason, some IP violation cases does not justify that a negative picture should be used whenever reporting China, especially considering the tremendous efforts China has been making on IP protection.

(An interesting comparison will be to see if Wall Street will take any lesson from the crisis they created)

Hope we will not see this biased picture again. EEtimes is an excellent technical newspaper. Bias should not have any place here.

P.S. There are plenty of China bashers in Washington does not mean bashing China is the right thing. Very likely the same politicians approved the Iraqi war. Cold war is history. We need cooperation not confrontation.

aquitaine

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Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Oct 22, 2009 10:29 PM

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"I'm just merely stating the facts."

Facts that have been spun around. The way the facts were presented made it seem like a.) IP piracy only happens in China and b.) it isn't getting any better.

"Just wondering if the U.S. is giving away the jewels?"

We arn't giving anything away. If we aren't willing to liscence what we develop then what is the point to doing R&D?

Part of the problem with IP in China is that foreign companies frequently don't bother to follow proper legal procedures for registering their IP in China (they also frequently don't bother following procedures for things like contracts, as well as many other things). That blog that I linked is written by a lawyer working in a foreign law firm that set up a branch office in china, and it serves chinese as well as foreign firms operating in China. I trust his word.

aquitaine

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Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Oct 22, 2009 10:35 PM

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I wish the comments section had an edit button, I'd like to submit this as an addundum to my previous post:

"While as you show things are improving it looks like there's still a ways to go."

Well of course things still have a ways to go. China's GDP per capita is roughly equal to Albania's, even though over all it has the third largest economy. The enitire country has a long way to go in a lot of areas.

Mark LaPedus

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Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Oct 22, 2009 10:40 PM

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IP theft is a worldwide issue. Ask the U.S. drug companies about Brazil. A nightmare.

I lived in Taiwan many years. IP laws were broken.
Hong Kong is bad. So is Korea. Don't get me started about Japan.

I'm just saying that China has failed to address its IP issues. That's
not China bashing. It's a simple fact.

aquitaine

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Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Oct 23, 2009 2:01 AM

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"I'm just saying that China has failed to address its IP issues"

That makes it sound like either this is a problem that can be solved overnight (which it isn't) but hasn't been or that no effort is being put in solve it (which also isn't true). It's an ongoing effort. In actuality the legal framework didn't actually start to be used until about 3 years ago. In addition to China Law Blog here's an entire blog dedicated just to IP: http://ipdragon.blogspot.com/

"I lived in Taiwan many years. IP laws were broken.
Hong Kong is bad. So is Korea. Don't get me started about Japan."

And when was the last time any of these countries/terroritories were singled out like this when an American company liscenced tech a taiwanese/hong kongese/korean/japanese company?

TatterSalad

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Registered: 10/24/09

Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Oct 24, 2009 4:44 AM

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Moving Mfg. overseas is the ONLY way to go. To be competitive, and make a profit ALL manufacturing companies of any size must have an off-shore sub-corporation to protect their profits from Uncle. He taxes on PROFITS; the more in your bank at the end of the year, the more you lose. The profits from the off-shore subsideriary are taken OUTSIDE of the U.S.; these finished compenents are purchased such that what little profit made within the states allows a 'break even' tax picture. All large Pharmaceutical and Electronic producers HAVE to play this shell game.

Mark LaPedus

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Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Oct 27, 2009 3:46 AM

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Hi

Regarding IP, the U.S. is tough on Taiwan's IP practices.
The Taiwan media is tough on Taiwan. Ask the former president.
(I lived in Taiwan 5 years!)

The same goes for Korea and Japan. The local media
in those nations try to keep businesses (and IP issues) in line. The
media is tough in Korea and Japan. Ask the Samsung Group.
(Just got back from Korea).

Not sure about elsewhere in Asia.

will99878898

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Registered: 09/16/09

Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Nov 4, 2009 2:03 AM

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it's sad to see EEtimes hired someone like you.

1. you are treating china as an enemy by such assumptions.
2. which is simple and naive.
3. so many US IC tech are result of hard work of foreign engineers from china etc.
4. business is business, ibm made money through this deal.
5. if you don't have any problem with fab club, or japanese don't have problem with toyota teach US how to make cars,
6. then you should shut up.
7. you can spend more time to study some industry inside stuff.

8. or they should send you to a kindergarden to write some war story for kids.

aquitaine

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Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Nov 7, 2009 9:00 PM

in response to: Mark LaPedus

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"Regarding IP, the U.S. is tough on Taiwan's IP practices.
The Taiwan media is tough on Taiwan. Ask the former president.
(I lived in Taiwan 5 years!)

The same goes for Korea and Japan. The local media
in those nations try to keep businesses (and IP issues) in line. The
media is tough in Korea and Japan. Ask the Samsung Group.
(Just got back from Korea). "

And until relatively recently all of these countries were notorious IP violators. IP protection comes with economic development as our experience with these nations has indicated.

jerryboone

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Registered: 11/08/09

Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Nov 8, 2009 9:11 AM

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regards!

http://www.optische-schwimmbrillen.de

aquitaine

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Re: Comments for: "Is IBM handing over key IC technology to China?"
Posted: Nov 8, 2009 9:27 PM

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"6. then you should shut up."
"8. or they should send you to a kindergarden to write some war story for kids."

Ok, that's going too far. If he's wrong then present evidence that he is wrong and/or explain your reasoning. There is no need for ad hominems here.